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[Byker]

So far they haven't figured how to blame it on Donald Trump...

[Ubiquitous]

Post by Byker
http://youtu.be/uKvleU22e-k

Unacceptable, you cunt.

[BeamMeUpScotty]

Post by Ubiquitous

Post by Byker
http://youtu.be/uKvleU22e-k

Unacceptable, you cunt.

When you watch the building collapse it collapse, the bottom is moving
before the top of the building so it's the lower floors collapsing under
the upper floors and that suggests that the footers, which up close to
the surf of the ocean means pilings that were probably undermined or
moving and the water in the parking garage also suggests a problem with
engineering and the way the building was built on pilings.

The building and footers may have been sinking for years, possibly
triggered by past hurricanes or just by falty engineering or
construction of the footers or geologic tests that suggested those
piling were enough to hold up a structure that size.

Never heard of a sink hole along the beach area but, some times shit
happens. Sink holes do seem to eat cars and this collapse started under
a parking garage. ;)
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On Fri, 25 Jun 2021 14:05:52 -0400, BeamMeUpScotty

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Post by Ubiquitous

Post by Byker
http://youtu.be/uKvleU22e-k

Unacceptable, you cunt.

When you watch the building collapse it collapse, the bottom is moving
before the top of the building so it's the lower floors collapsing under
the upper floors and that suggests that the footers, which up close to
the surf of the ocean means pilings that were probably undermined or
moving and the water in the parking garage also suggests a problem with
engineering and the way the building was built on pilings.

Fair analysis. The foundation had been subsiding for
a long time. Given the slap-'em-up building boom of
the time, they probably just poured concrete over
sugary beach sand in an old mangrove swamp.
No WAY that'd be stable. 75' pilings, yes, but
those CO$T.

But, pass the inspectors a plain envelope fat with
cash and, well, who cares ?

The salt air is also a big problem. Concrete ALWAYS develops
micro-cracks and salty water DOES permeate. The steel rusts
and proceeds to destroy the surrounding concrete. A lawyer
for some Brits who are "missing" says there were reports of
considerable damage to some of the concrete supports. You
can build using stainless rebar - but the cost is triple.

So, given the construction and location, the building was a
time bomb. Thing is there are a LOT of similar condos and
hotels all down the south Florida coast built in the same
timeframe - often by the same contractors. If one fails,
ANY could fall. Probably will. Some might be fixed-up,
others will have to be abandoned. Units in these things
are STARTING at $500,000 these days. Add it up.

Ah ... steel rebar ... the strength of concrete, AND its doom.
Unreinforced Roman concrete has lasted millenia, but we
are lucky of modern constructs last 50 years.

[Byker]

Post by Toto
Fair analysis. The foundation had been subsiding for
a long time. Given the slap-'em-up building boom of
the time, they probably just poured concrete over
sugary beach sand in an old mangrove swamp.

Not to mention all the palms being greased with Colombian
cocaine money (this was in the 80's, remember)...

[Toto]

Post by Byker

Post by Toto
Fair analysis. The foundation had been subsiding for
a long time. Given the slap-'em-up building boom of
the time, they probably just poured concrete over
sugary beach sand in an old mangrove swamp.

Not to mention all the palms being greased with Colombian
cocaine money (this was in the 80's, remember)...

Well, that's the only thing that kept the building alert
for all these years :-)

Inspection reports are beginning to emerge now, all sorts
of serious structural deterioration and cheap-ass fixes that
didn't fix anything. They tried to GLUE the main supports
back together.

Sorry, once the salt moisture gets in, DOOM.

Now they are (rightly) freaked out about all the other condos
built around the same time, in the same ways, often by the
same people. This was the FIRST to fall, but no WAY will it
be the last.

[Byker]

Post by Toto
Now they are (rightly) freaked out about all the other condos
built around the same time, in the same ways, often by the
same people. This was the FIRST to fall, but no WAY will it
be the last.

Still, China will invariably hold the lead:

[Siri Cruise]

Post by Toto
Now they are (rightly) freaked out about all the other condos
built around the same time, in the same ways, often by the
same people. This was the FIRST to fall, but no WAY will it
be the last.

At least Florida remains competitive.

FLOR-UH-DA!
FLOR-UH-DA!
FLOR-UH-DA!
FLOR-UH-DA!
FLOR-UH-DA!

[Toto]

Post by Byker

Post by Toto
Now they are (rightly) freaked out about all the other condos
built around the same time, in the same ways, often by the
same people. This was the FIRST to fall, but no WAY will it
be the last.

http://youtu.be/sVm29u736D0
http://youtu.be/iINI81nvbAs
http://youtu.be/q00nTSAcMhs

Well ... China ...... dead people don't seem to MEAN very
much in China - even if they're not Uighurs.

In any event, the southern coast of the US is absolutely
littered with condos and hotels built in the 70s/80s.
Probably a trillion dollars worth of real-estate involved.

So WHO pays ?

Most of the actual hands-on developers/builders/inspectors
from that era are DEAD. Their companies probably went
under at the same time. Can't sue them. This leaves the
insurance companies. They can't AFFORD the price tag.
Likely the contracts were written so they wouldn't HAVE
to pay for these sorts of extreme issues.

The collapsed condo was planning a fix-up campaign,
on the order of like 10-15 MILLION dollars just to fix
the crapped-out supports. Might have been cheaper
to knock it down and build new .......

Stainless steel rebar on the lower floors WOULD have
prevented this. But it Co$ts - a lot. SS also has issues
with fatigue ; may require unconventional design to
get around that.

[Byker]

Post by Toto
Stainless steel rebar on the lower floors WOULD have
prevented this. But it Co$ts - a lot. SS also has issues
with fatigue ; may require unconventional design to
get around that.

Don't forget crummy concrete, something that the Chingchongs are
world-renowned for: http://youtu.be/q00nTSAcMhs

They just don't make 'em like they used to...

[Toto]

Post by Byker

Post by Toto
Stainless steel rebar on the lower floors WOULD have
prevented this. But it Co$ts - a lot. SS also has issues
with fatigue ; may require unconventional design to
get around that.

Don't forget crummy concrete, something that the Chingchongs are
world-renowned for: http://youtu.be/q00nTSAcMhs
They just don't make 'em like they used to...

Did they ever ? :-)

Modern civ is not about lasting for the ages. Build
it, 30/40/50 years later, knock it down for something
newer.

Todays news story was about a guy who was ON
THE PHONE with his wife, who lived in the condo.
She called him screaming that the entire pool
area had just collapsed into a huge sinkhole.
Engineering inspections HAD said that whole bit
was badly compromised - though it WAS on
the opposite side from what fell down. Then
she said the whole building was shaking - and
that was the abrupt end of the conversation ......

They'll find her squished remains in another week
or two, or three.

Further scandal ... despite working engineers saying
there was SERIOUS structural damage THREE YEARS
AGO, the city engineer claimed in writing that the
building was "in great shape". Hope he's already dead ...

Residents say that the "basement" - ground floor
garage - flooded with salt water ONCE A WEEK
for the most part ... often enough to float cars.

Sorry, but salt water saturation and iron rebar do
NOT get along. It's a disaster in waiting. Concrete
ALWAYS has micro-cracks where salt can get to
the iron.

Now a resident at the sister building across the street
has sent photos of BIG crack in a ground-floor support
beam that appeared right after the other building imploded.
Anyone who lives there -GET THE FUCK *OUT* !!!!

The US east coast - mostly from S.C. down - is just FULL
of similar condos and hotels - of similar design and size.
A terabuck worth of real-estate. That coast gets a fairly
constant east wind and LOTS of storms that saturate
the structures in salty water. Bet MOST of them are in
a similarly dangerous condition.

Sometimes the real danger to life is not from "over
there", but from something close at hand that you
never even see. The 70s/80s saw a VAST amount
of rapid, questionable, oceanside construction.
Just because you paid a megabuck for your condo
does NOT impress natural laws. Crap construction
is crap construction - all fall down go boom.

[Yak]

Post by Byker
http://youtu.be/uKvleU22e-k
So far they haven't figured how to blame it on Donald Trump...

Perfect source, Byker. Words cannot describe.

[Bill Flett]

Post by Byker
http://youtu.be/uKvleU22e-k
So far they haven't figured how to blame it on Donald Trump...

A shit source, Byker. Words cannot describe [sic].

You used "describe" as an intransitive verb. It isn't.

Only a priest-fucked parochial school fucktard could do that.